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	<title>Comments on: Chris and James&#8230; opinion request</title>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
		<link>http://www.wesedholm.com/2008/09/18/chris-and-james-opinion-request/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James added an extended comment on the antiwar.com site... here it is: 

... the problem with the theorem is that we then are unable to take the moral high ground and that moral high ground is what our founding fathers were all about (give or take a little). In this interview they mention suicides, like it is something that is unprecedented. Again this is the norm.For example: In Chuck Deans’ book, Nam Vet., printed in 1990 by Multnomah Press, Portland, Oregon, the author states that “Fifty-eight thousand plus died in the Vietnam War. Over 150,000 have committed suicide since the war ended”.What is that? People trying to understand what they have done? Getting back into the real world and thinking for themselves again? Perhaps the VA was failing them? This is something that has been ongoing for as long as I know in American history and what little I know of the rest of the world that doesn’t even come close to having things set up like a “VA.” As a history major with a passion, I would say “look closer” to anyone reading this stuff. America is a not perfect by any means, but when you look at the rest of it we are not too shabby. I had the privilege of living in Europe for ten years and I think right now we are going through those same growing pains as any nation does. I believe that Europe has gone through many of these growing pains, (two world wars) and they sort come up with a more liberal view point and steady tiller approach.I have worked under Peter W. Chiarelli when he was a full bird back in Ft Lewis (1998,) and now, if you look him up he is well, up there, I have also worked as a civilian at “SHAPE” supreme headquarters allied powers Europe (NATO), under Wesley Clark. Throughout all of my tours and all of my working environments I believed the sky was falling until I myself looked closer through a great curiosity…Shit happens, rock and roll deal with it!
by the way, I loved the interview… keep up the good work, you sure kept me up tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James added an extended comment on the antiwar.com site&#8230; here it is: </p>
<p>&#8230; the problem with the theorem is that we then are unable to take the moral high ground and that moral high ground is what our founding fathers were all about (give or take a little). In this interview they mention suicides, like it is something that is unprecedented. Again this is the norm.For example: In Chuck Deans’ book, Nam Vet., printed in 1990 by Multnomah Press, Portland, Oregon, the author states that “Fifty-eight thousand plus died in the Vietnam War. Over 150,000 have committed suicide since the war ended”.What is that? People trying to understand what they have done? Getting back into the real world and thinking for themselves again? Perhaps the VA was failing them? This is something that has been ongoing for as long as I know in American history and what little I know of the rest of the world that doesn’t even come close to having things set up like a “VA.” As a history major with a passion, I would say “look closer” to anyone reading this stuff. America is a not perfect by any means, but when you look at the rest of it we are not too shabby. I had the privilege of living in Europe for ten years and I think right now we are going through those same growing pains as any nation does. I believe that Europe has gone through many of these growing pains, (two world wars) and they sort come up with a more liberal view point and steady tiller approach.I have worked under Peter W. Chiarelli when he was a full bird back in Ft Lewis (1998,) and now, if you look him up he is well, up there, I have also worked as a civilian at “SHAPE” supreme headquarters allied powers Europe (NATO), under Wesley Clark. Throughout all of my tours and all of my working environments I believed the sky was falling until I myself looked closer through a great curiosity…Shit happens, rock and roll deal with it!<br />
by the way, I loved the interview… keep up the good work, you sure kept me up tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
		<link>http://www.wesedholm.com/2008/09/18/chris-and-james-opinion-request/comment-page-1/#comment-235</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback.  We have had that discussion before about desensitizing a soldier for maximum kill shooting percentages.  I&#039;m certain that I have desensitized myself by playing Halo and Full Spectrum Warrior.  I don&#039;t really see a problem with this either.  If you&#039;re going to kill somebody you might as well do it right!

Did you hear the part about all of the soldier suicides?  I think he said more soldiers had committed suicide than had died in combat.  And perhaps more surprising was the way he explained the suicide motivation which he claimed was simply the soldiers not being able to deal with how many people they had killed and more specifically that the people they killed were quite often civilians, women, children, and general population.  The cold hard reality of the discussion (of course it might not be the reality but just antiwar propaganda...) was quite sickening.

Congratulations to Chris for maximizing his time on earth and &quot;getting out there&quot;... the decision to actually do it was probably harder than the actual task.  The commitment I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback.  We have had that discussion before about desensitizing a soldier for maximum kill shooting percentages.  I&#8217;m certain that I have desensitized myself by playing Halo and Full Spectrum Warrior.  I don&#8217;t really see a problem with this either.  If you&#8217;re going to kill somebody you might as well do it right!</p>
<p>Did you hear the part about all of the soldier suicides?  I think he said more soldiers had committed suicide than had died in combat.  And perhaps more surprising was the way he explained the suicide motivation which he claimed was simply the soldiers not being able to deal with how many people they had killed and more specifically that the people they killed were quite often civilians, women, children, and general population.  The cold hard reality of the discussion (of course it might not be the reality but just antiwar propaganda&#8230;) was quite sickening.</p>
<p>Congratulations to Chris for maximizing his time on earth and &#8220;getting out there&#8221;&#8230; the decision to actually do it was probably harder than the actual task.  The commitment I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: spillane</title>
		<link>http://www.wesedholm.com/2008/09/18/chris-and-james-opinion-request/comment-page-1/#comment-221</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I could start to comment on this intelligently I would have to start by reading that guys book mentioned at the beginning of the interview. Second as a solider I once, this is the norm as it is the norm in any army, anywhere from the beginning of time…
Just a few examples: 
WWI, the Nazi’s of course as everyone knows dehumanized the Jews and other classes not German. America used similar propaganda with their war films that were at the time the nations block buster… “Why we fight” and others starting the momentum… 
Post world war two, they realized that about less than 60 percent of soldiers were shooting to kill. Perhaps it was a religious question, that the Germans themselves considered themselves Christians in an odd way whatever the reason, something had to be done. Prior to Korean war the army started to experiment in shooting at “human” shaped targets as a form of conditioning with much success, by the time Vietnam came about, words like zipper and gook were used and Americans were pulling the trigger with a 90% shoot to kill ratio and less pacifism… 
The Japanese did that same, as we did to them, etc… now today their isn’t all that much change, maybe we should ask the question, “What do they think of us?” to them we are perhaps, “invaders, evil capitalists… etc” they too dehumanize us… this is entirely the status quo when it comes to asking someone human with feelings to do the ultimate, that is, to take another life… if we all, (them, us doesn’t matter,) were thinking straight there would be less war and killing at the rate we see it now… 
But if you are going to engage, I guess engage to win, if the other side is doing so… the problem with this is that we then are unable to take the moral high ground… I got to go back to work but will talk to you later about this. 
Chris is climbing mt rainier so he won’t responds so quick…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I could start to comment on this intelligently I would have to start by reading that guys book mentioned at the beginning of the interview. Second as a solider I once, this is the norm as it is the norm in any army, anywhere from the beginning of time…<br />
Just a few examples:<br />
WWI, the Nazi’s of course as everyone knows dehumanized the Jews and other classes not German. America used similar propaganda with their war films that were at the time the nations block buster… “Why we fight” and others starting the momentum…<br />
Post world war two, they realized that about less than 60 percent of soldiers were shooting to kill. Perhaps it was a religious question, that the Germans themselves considered themselves Christians in an odd way whatever the reason, something had to be done. Prior to Korean war the army started to experiment in shooting at “human” shaped targets as a form of conditioning with much success, by the time Vietnam came about, words like zipper and gook were used and Americans were pulling the trigger with a 90% shoot to kill ratio and less pacifism…<br />
The Japanese did that same, as we did to them, etc… now today their isn’t all that much change, maybe we should ask the question, “What do they think of us?” to them we are perhaps, “invaders, evil capitalists… etc” they too dehumanize us… this is entirely the status quo when it comes to asking someone human with feelings to do the ultimate, that is, to take another life… if we all, (them, us doesn’t matter,) were thinking straight there would be less war and killing at the rate we see it now…<br />
But if you are going to engage, I guess engage to win, if the other side is doing so… the problem with this is that we then are unable to take the moral high ground… I got to go back to work but will talk to you later about this.<br />
Chris is climbing mt rainier so he won’t responds so quick…</p>
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